Wanted: people with a functioning body clock

[baratron]

Okay, I have a question. How do you know it's time to get up?

Don't say "because my alarm goes off". Let's assume it isn't a work day, and you can get up at whatever time you like. How do you know when that is?

Also, if you have morning meds to take before food, how do you make sure they get taken at the same time each day?

I actually have no idea. Between the chronic fatigue and the delayed sleep phase syndrome, I usually get up either because I have to be somewhere, or because I'm hungry.

I could have got up today at 11, but I was still tired. I fell back to sleep and slept until 2, and was still tired then, but thought it might be because of low blood sugar. So I ate half a protein bar, and then thought "shit, I should have taken my thyroxine first". Now I'm sitting around exhausted and brain-dead, waiting until it's been long enough after eating that I can take the thyroxine, and then until it's long enough after taking the thyroxine that I can have my hot chocolate and vitamin pills and something decidedly more meal-like than the protein bar.

I have an alarm that goes off at 4pm for one med, but lately that hasn't been much use as it's a "take with food" med and I haven't been awake.

Apparently, based on brain biopsies, people with "severe depression" are not synchronised to the usual solar day in terms of gene activity. NEWSFLASH! I wonder if there are any studies that I can enrol in before I'm dead?

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[xiphias.livejournal.com]

There comes a point where I feel guilty about being in bed. Even though I don't want to get up.

That point varies. And I may go back to sleep afterward.

I'm SUPPOSED to get up at 6:30 or 7 even if I don't have to, because my shrink says I should. However, on my own, I'd get out of bed when 1. my bladder said so, 2. my hunger said so (but that doesn't happen, because I don't feel hungry, even though I eat a lot), 3. I am so uncomfortable from not showering that I have to shower, 4. the cats insist on it, 5. I'm so bored with sleeping that I feel like I have to check email or some such.

[adjectivegail]

1) my 2 year old (aka my randomised, unpredictable alarm clock) say so
2) my (electronic) alarm clock says so
3) I need the loo
4) I'm hungry

I almost never get out of bed because I've had enough sleep and am happy with the idea of getting up. Even on those rare occasions when none of the above have happened, I don't get out of bed because I want to. Either M will tag me and go back to bed himself for a bit, or he'll come tell me that it's 11:30am. At which point I get up because I have a weird mental block that says if I sleep past mid-day then THE WHOLE DAY IS WASTED, COMPLETE FAILURE, DISASTER, DOOOOOM. Which I suppose might count as "knowing when it's time to get up" but it's never a good thing.

[the-siobhan.livejournal.com]

I have to pee.

Then once I'm up and moving around, I just stay up.

[yoyoangel.livejournal.com]

(Unless I'm ill, /extremely depressed or in bed with someone I, um, want to stay in bed with...)

I get up if it's after about 6:30am and I wake up and don't feel like I'll immediately get back to sleep. Left to my own devices (including choosing my bedtime) this is usually between 7 and 8.

[emperor]

When I wake up, I look at the bedside clock, and sanity-check the time. If it's too early, I try and go back to sleep. Otherwise, unless I feel tired, I'll make moves towards getting up.

Alternatively, atreic has brought me some tea, at which point I try and wake up enough to drink it ;-)

[jenett]

My bedroom window faces east, and I have not gotten around to putting up light blocking shades, so sometimes the light wakes me up.

In general, sans alarm, I sleep 7-8 hours after I go to sleep, whether that's going to bed at midnight and waking up at 7, or going to bed at 3 and waking up at 11. If it's very very sunny, the light will wake me up earlier.

The only morning med I take is levothyroxine, which is not absurdly time sensitive, except for the part where I can't eat for 30-45 minutes after taking it.

(I used to solve this by not eating breakfast: my nutritionist has pushed me to fix that, so I now bring yogurt to work, because I am not usually sufficiently interested in food until I've been up for 90 minutes or so. For times when breakfast is an actual event involving other people, I wake up early enough to take my pill.)

[tiger-spot.livejournal.com]

These days usually the baby wakes me up, but that's like an alarm so it doesn't count. If someone else gets up with the baby, or if she goes back to sleep after the morning nursing session and I don't, usually it is the quality of the light, combined with the sounds of day filtering in (birds, the chickens, other people banging around making breakfast, neighbors with lawn equipment, etc.), that convinces me to get up. In hotels with blackout curtains, I get very disoriented waking up to complete darkness when the clock says it's supposed to be morning.

At times in my life when I have routinely been getting up closer to noon than to sunrise, I lose the response to light. But if I get up to an alarm that is at or before sunrise for, I dunno, about a month, maybe two, I get entrained to dawn and it becomes much harder to sleep through it even without the alarm.

One thing that is key to actually getting me out of bed rather than repeatedly waking up and going back to sleep is having something I'm looking forward to. Something I want to do (e.g. cleaning something, writing an important email, going to the beach) doesn't seem to cut it, but something I want to experience (Andres made French toast, the baby will smile at me, it's supposed to be a lovely day outside today) does. That seems weird and backward to me, but there you are.

I take my vitamins first thing in the morning, when I brush my teeth. This is easy to remember because my teeth taste nasty in the morning, so I want to brush them and therefore can easily hang another habit on that. In general, I find that adding habits is easiest if I do them right before or right after something that's already part of my daily schedule. Adding something to the getting up or going to bed or after dinner routines is much easier than adding something at random 2:00 in the afternoon.

[karen2205]

I tend to wake at 8am ish, as that's waking up time and my body will follow this on non-work days (or if, for some reason I've gone to bed very late, but have been used to x hours sleep, I will wake after that number of hours sleep). Usually there's a point for me where I know I'm awake for the day, even if I feel sleepy. If I'm very tired, I might go back to sleep, but I'm more likely to get up, go to the loo and then come back to bed to read/listen to the radio than get up and dressed immediately. I won't necessarily get up in the sense of getting dressed and going downstairs until I'm hungry/uncomfortable lying/sitting in bed/want my laptop.

[aphroditemf.livejournal.com]

I know what time to get up because my daughter comes in 6am and shouts in my face "GET UP MUM I WANT WEETOS!!!"

If she's at a sleepover, I still naturally wake up around this time, because I am so tired by 10pm that I find it difficult to stay up any later.

I take a pregnancy multivitamin with my breakfast, which is always at around 7am. Oddly, the baby seems to think that 6am is the appropriate time to get up too, because he starts kicking around this time.

[maniackatie.livejournal.com]

That's a good question. My body's internal clock seems to work about 70% of the time and will wake me up at the same time every morning (between roughly 6:30 AM to 7:15 AM) regardless of how long I've been sleeping. Even though I set an alarm clock for work everyday I'll often wake up before it goes off, as if I'm somehow anticipating the alarm and waking up first due to hating the thing so damn much. (Can't stand the sound :P)

Things tend to change a bit during the summer holidays because I'm, on average, going to bed 2-3 hours later than usual. It's a gradual change however. Closer to the beginning of the summer I'll still be waking up around 7 AM but will go back to sleep if I've been sleeping for less than 6 hours (assuming I actually can sleep again). As summer rolls on my body seems to adjust itself to my new sleeping patterns and I'll begin waking up anywhere between 8 AM and 10 AM. Anything beyond 10 AM is usually me just not wanting to get up and going back to sleep over and over.

That all being said, I wake up during the night on an average of 4-6 times per night so it's not uncommon for me to judge my own sleeping hours based on the time that I went to bed and whatever time it is when I've woken. I like to, and strive to, hit at least 7 and a half to 8 hours of "sleep" everyday (aka. being in bed for that many hours regardless of whether I actually slept) unless I'm restricted from doing so due to life commitments, so once I've obtained that many hours I'll usually get up regardless of how tired I'm still feeling. My drive to spend my day productively tends to take precedence over my desire to sleep; that and it gets very difficult for me to keep going back to sleep over and over once the sun is up/people in my home are awake. Once I'm noticing that I'm only sleeping for 20-25 minutes intervals I'll call it quits and drag myself out of bed.

[otterylexa.livejournal.com]

When I'm depressed: the pain from my bladder and/or stomach has reached a critical level exceeding my lack of tuits.

Otherwise: I've been awake long enough to accumulate the tuits to move.

[treacle-well.livejournal.com]

I know it's time to get up because I wake up, and usually even if I keep dozing off for bits, I will eventually really wake up and realize I'm awake and get bored just laying in bed. That process happens faster if I start thinking about things I want to do/feel I need to do. Then I get up.

If it takes too long to reach that stage, then generally (as others have said) needing to pee or being hungry will prompt me.

Also, I never leave the blinds closed, and so as it gets more light I get more awake (unless I've gone to bed really, really late--then the light doesn't seem to matter much). Even if it's dark I will eventually wake up and feel like getting up, but it takes longer, and I don't so easily recognize "hey, it's morning, probably time to get up."

[nitoda]

I wake, judge by the amount of light if it might be time to get up, look at the clock and usually tell myself to sleep some more because it's too early to get up. I have a habit of waking around 6am. When I was in Scotland and staying up later than usual I still woke early, though not always as early as 6. There may have been a second question which my short term memory has not retained. Excuse me while I go back to your post to check as I can't see your post while composing my comment in this ruddy app version.

[nitoda]

Ah, yes, the morning meds question. I would use an alarm if the timing was critical.